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Postby 41mag » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:21 am

Granted, I do not live is Tennessee but I do not see what is bad here. I fail to see who needs to carry a gun in a restaurant nor why do they need to carry them in state parks??? Faculty and staff in a school have no business carrying a gun in school. That is a accident waiting to happen. (I have seen teachers and staff that I would not trust with a stun gun let alone a real gun) The one on mental health though should have maybe passed with some restrictions maybe.
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Postby caver » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:09 am

41mag wrote:Granted, I do not live is Tennessee but I do not see what is bad here. I fail to see who needs to carry a gun in a restaurant nor why do they need to carry them in state parks??? Faculty and staff in a school have no business carrying a gun in school. That is a accident waiting to happen. (I have seen teachers and staff that I would not trust with a stun gun let alone a real gun) The one on mental health though should have maybe passed with some restrictions maybe.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with your conclusions. We have seen many instances of predators stalking their victims in state and national parks. Do you think park rangers escort all the guests around in the backcountry, or are within whistling distance? Same goes with restaurants. The only reason that the law bans concealed carry in restaurants is because most serve alcohol. Newsflash: most customers are there to eat, not drink alcohol. If a patron is drinking and still carrying a firearm, then they are already breaking the law, so what is the point of the ban in restaurants?
As for the schools, while I'll concur, many teachers have no business touching a firearm, the legislation is to allow those few teachers that have training and a license to carry, to also carry while at the job. Why do you think these school shooting continue to happen? It's because perps and crazies know that schools are gun free zones, and they can kill for a long time before help arrives.
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Postby swampbuck » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:19 pm

[quote="41mag"]Granted, I do not live is Tennessee but I do not see what is bad here. I fail to see who needs to carry a gun in a restaurant nor why do they need to carry them in state parks??? quote]

Not trying to pick on you here .. BUT...

We have had several high profile abductions and murders in GA State and National parks.

There preditors know these are gun free zones. These are the places were the they ply their trade. If they thought that someone might have a gun do you think they would stalk people in these types of areas.

I for one will not be a victim nor will my family I will carry regardless.
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Postby 41mag » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:24 pm

caver wrote:
41mag wrote:Granted, I do not live is Tennessee but I do not see what is bad here. I fail to see who needs to carry a gun in a restaurant nor why do they need to carry them in state parks??? Faculty and staff in a school have no business carrying a gun in school. That is a accident waiting to happen. (I have seen teachers and staff that I would not trust with a stun gun let alone a real gun) The one on mental health though should have maybe passed with some restrictions maybe.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with your conclusions. We have seen many instances of predators stalking their victims in state and national parks. Do you think park rangers escort all the guests around in the backcountry, or are within whistling distance? Same goes with restaurants. The only reason that the law bans concealed carry in restaurants is because most serve alcohol. Newsflash: most customers are there to eat, not drink alcohol. If a patron is drinking and still carrying a firearm, then they are already breaking the law, so what is the point of the ban in restaurants?
As for the schools, while I'll concur, many teachers have no business touching a firearm, the legislation is to allow those few teachers that have training and a license to carry, to also carry while at the job. Why do you think these school shooting continue to happen? It's because perps and crazies know that schools are gun free zones, and they can kill for a long time before help arrives.
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You suggest a wild west environment. The simple truth is that John Q Puplic cannot be trusted in the masses to carry fire arms in settings like this. Guns are too deadly and when people are involved, accidents can happen with dire results. Sure there are some that could carry responsibly but then there are many that cannot and how do you seperate them? Just like driving cars, some are resposible and some not. There are non lethal deterants avaible that would be safer and far more effective than a gun in these senerios. With a gun if you shoot and miss and hit someone 50 , 100 or 200 feet away or more it is okay because it is a "accident". You are thinking with ego and harmones and not logic here. If you are that "worried" get some bear pepper spray. That will stop anyone and anything in its tracks without causing permanent harm and no concerns of down range safety. And if you have a "accident", do one will die nor will your 3 or 6 year old shoot someone or themselves with lethal results. Luckily there are some in the states congress that understands the pandora's box here that they are trying to keep the lid closed on. Several weeks ago they had a incident where a pilot "supposidly" trained in the handling of fire arms, discharge a weapon in flight when stowing gun. Why was it cocked and they never go off by accident. It always takes human intervention. Luckily it just blew a few holes in plane and exited and harmed no one of ground (that they know of) but it could have easily had different results. Sure you could maybe argue that maybe 1000's of pilots carry without incident but then if that one "incident" happens to injure or kill someone I doubt kin will take solice in that it was a "accident". State parks that are not certified hunting ares do not need to turn into potentail shooting galleries and need to stay gun free zones. Even one "accident" is far to high a price to pay.
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Postby swampbuck » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:10 pm

Again 41mag not trying to pick here.. BUT..

You do know that the wild west was mostly myth. As far as shoot outs go.

Despite the fact that most folks carried there were far less shootings then there are are today. Even the time honored shoot out at high noon in the street almost never happened. We were actually a much more well behaved people when everyone carried a firearm. 8)
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Postby 41mag » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:35 am

swampbuck wrote:Again 41mag not trying to pick here.. BUT..

You do know that the wild west was mostly myth. As far as shoot outs go.

Despite the fact that most folks carried there were far less shootings then there are are today. Even the time honored shoot out at high noon in the street almost never happened. We were actually a much more well behaved people when everyone carried a firearm. 8)


Wild west means everyone with a gun on their hip or in saddle scabbard. The masses are not that trained or skilled to carry weapons like that and use them wisely.
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Postby swampbuck » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:24 pm

41MAG I agree to a point.. If someone has a toters permit then they should be allowed to carry. If they don't then they shouldn't.

I respectfully disagree with you..
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Postby 41mag » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:17 am

swampbuck wrote:41MAG I agree to a point.. If someone has a toters permit then they should be allowed to carry. If they don't then they shouldn't.

I respectfully disagree with you..


There was a pilot with a permit that blew a hole in a airplane. Just because you have a permit does not mean you will be safe. When I go to a gun show or a store it is kinda scary to watch some of the people that want to buy handguns. They are clueless and they just want a gun, any gun and one that holds lots of bullets too. We do not need even a bigger open season for these types. (make it legal for them to go to rec park with them)
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Postby caver » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:31 pm

41mag wrote:
swampbuck wrote:41MAG I agree to a point.. If someone has a toters permit then they should be allowed to carry. If they don't then they shouldn't.

I respectfully disagree with you..


There was a pilot with a permit that blew a hole in a airplane. Just because you have a permit does not mean you will be safe. When I go to a gun show or a store it is kinda scary to watch some of the people that want to buy handguns. They are clueless and they just want a gun, any gun and one that holds lots of bullets too. We do not need even a bigger open season for these types. (make it legal for them to go to rec park with them)

Uh... Police occasionally make the mistake of accidentally discharging their weapons. By your logic, shouldn't they too, be disarmed?

Maybe 41mag only wants criminals to be armed :wink:

I've been to a lot of gun shows and shops. I've never seen any buffoons demanding to look at only guns "that hold lots of bullets". Your talking points seem to come straight from a Brady Center handout or perhaps a hollywood movie your fond of. I could give you a long list of sources that prove that an armed society is a safer society, but I it sounds as if you've already got your mind made up.
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Postby swampbuck » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:05 am

Caver..funny you mention the Brady center.

That bunch of lying SOB's have been caught so many times in spreading misinformation , distorted facts and just outright lies. They have absolutely no credibility. [THEY NEVER REALLY DID]
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